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Whatcha scribblin' on, anon? Discuss tablets, styluses, other hardware, software, stationery, and anything else. Post recommendations or advice, chat, doodle, whatever.
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Was considering making such a thread, but I went to sleep instead. XPaint is decent. GrafX2 is decent. Every program has its problems though. There's nothing I like as much as MSPaint. Don't know if it's possible to dualboot XP on a Libreboot machine. Might not even bother with it because I find myself trying to use my window manager's bindings whenever messing with XP. Guess it's time to try "drawing" in text editor and converting to GIF/PNG.
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>Don't know if it's possible to dualboot XP on a Libreboot machine
Might be better off trying to get just MS Paint to run in Wine somehow. You can get the old Windows games (like minesweeper and free cell and stuff) to run independently (not that I remember how) so there might be a way to do so for other Microsoft software. Which version of paint do you like better, the "XP version" or the "7 version"
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>>30
No Wine for me on OpenBSD. Wish I had stuck with a Unix-like OS back when Ubuntu first released and a friend convinced me to install it. Not going to try getting into GNU/Linux now. There's just too damn many of 'em and I don't want to deal with a distro making changes such as Wayland, PulseAudio, systemd, or abandoning the Linux kernel.

>Paint
XP. 7 is decent, but I didn't use the new brushes/shapes much and the new brushes function kinda poorly. I like 7's zoom though, probably the one improvement over XP.
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>>31
I suppose the good news is that paint is very basic software and hopefully you will find something that suits you as well as ms paint does. Personally I always thought ms paint was too basic and limited in functionality. I really don't like not having layers and transparency, mostly.

Anyway, your best bet is probably trying to set up your machine (or any old machine I guess) with XP for using paint. Need a keygen?
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>>32
One would think so, but seems every simple paint program doesn't measure up. Layers aren't necessary if you keep a margin with a background color not used in your picture. Draw in the margin, use the second setting of the select tool to grab everything except background color, and drag it into position on your picture. Not a 1:1 replacement, but I actually prefer it over layers. Would be nice if it supported transparency, but I don't mind doing that with another program.

>Need a keygen?
Thanks, but I have a CD.
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>>33
I guess that works, I wouldn't know. I don't really have experience drawing with paint. In fact I don't really have much experience drawing at all, hence why I made this thread to figure out what other people are doing/using. I know about some tools of the trade like Sai and Cintiq tablets, which is probably what I'd try using if I were more serious and interested in investing the money in a Cintiq. The nips seem to like Sai (I think), and that software is probably responsible for an absolute boatload of the delicious hentai I've fapped to, so I'd be interested in giving it a whirl sometime if I had good hardware. I played with grafx2 a little bit as well since you mentioned it, felt a little confused by it and didn't check it out much further since I don't have a tablet for PC anyway.

I'm not an artist (as you can tell, that free doodle thread is me) but I decided to try doodling a little, I wanted to give this board some love. It's been great so far, I'm having a lot of fun, it's actually very relaxing. Not something I've ever really done before, and new things are fun. Considering I'm a full-blown beginner I'm actually noticing myself improve quite rapidly too (since there's so much room for improvement when you first start) both at doodling and at the software I'm running. This is all just for fun and not something I ever see myself taking seriously so I will probably never sink tons of money or tons of time into it to improve, but I might change my current setup a little. Or maybe I'll stumble across a Cintiq for super cheap one day, who knows. Anyway I'm rambling.
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>>34
>The nips seem to like Sai (I think)
There's also Clip Studio Paint and Krita. I prefer simple programs, but I'd give those a whirl too if I had good hardware and a tablet. Cintiq is insanely expensive. You could try Bamboo/Intuous if you ever decide to invest in a tablet. You're likely to become accustomed to not looking at your hand while drawing on Bamboo/Intuous, you can use a mouse without looking at your hand after all. Over the years I've heard of HUION as an alternative to Wacom, but I've no experience with either. GrafX2 can be a little weird, but no tablet required. In fact, its mostly used for pixel art. The full picture isn't visible in window mode, even with toolbars hidden. You need to use arrow keys to scroll up/down (watch the Y coordinate of your cursor change). If you want to save as a different format you need to delete the filename before selecting the format or it'll crash, least that's what happens to me. The zoom is nice because you can draw smoother lines on the right while seeing what it looks like at no magnification on the left. Place your cursor over a button, anything with / means it has seperate left-click and right-click functions. The rectangle, polylines, circle, save/load, and scroll palette buttons are halved into two buttons.

>I'm not an artist
Neither am I, hahahaha. Your participation has been greatly appreciated. I was lucky to have a few participants during its first life. Now I'm very lucky to have you during its second life. I hope you continue having fun.
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>>35
Yeah I know of Clip Studio Paint (used to be called Manga Studio iirc) and Krita. Krita being open source is nice. Those along with Sai seem to be some of the most popular tools from what I've seen. If I ever get to a point where I'm doing this on real hardware, an actual PC, I'd definitely be up for giving any software a try.

>if I had good hardware and a tablet
Do you use a mouse? I'm working on a shitty old android tablet. Considering the price can be quite good on these things (you can get some of these old tablets practically for free where I'm at) it's honestly not too bad of a deal, but to anyone serious about art it probably wouldn't be a good purchase at all. For dicking around though it's great fun, and I finally actually have a use for this dumb android tablet now. The stylus I use is really bad (was free so whatever) so I might upgrade that if the price is right. In terms of other cheap things to help myself, I'm considering modifying a glove by cutting off the thumb, index finger, and middle finger and leaving the palm, ring finger, and pinky finger intact so that I can't bump the multi-touch screen while doodling and fucking my shit up (which has happened a few times). Anyway, rambling again.

>Cintiq is insanely expensive.
Yeah, I don't know how anyone affords them, especially starving artists. I guess only the ones who aren't starving buy those.

>You're likely to become accustomed to not looking at your hand while drawing on Bamboo/Intuous, you can use a mouse without looking at your hand after all.
First tablet I ever saw was one like those, without a screen. The guy seemed to make some decent stuff on it. I got to play with it for about an hour (this was years ago), and even after an hour I was still making tons of errors and undoing a lot. With a mouse I have a cursor which is nice, keeps me on track knowing where I am. Without the screen on the tablet, I found it incredibly awkward and hard to get accustomed to. He told me with practice you eventually get used to it. However, on my shitty android tablet I was able to pick it up immediately and start a thread, even despite the fact I had basically no experience ever doing this. It's a much more natural and intuitive feeling (as I'm sure you can imagine) so I'd much rather try to see if I could score some kind of a bargain on something that has a screen. For now I'm doing better on a bargain bin android tablet than I did on a screenless PC tablet, and the bargain bin android tablet is cheaper though it obviously has its drawbacks. I wonder what I could find though if I looked around a bit at used stuff. If I ever see something and the price is good, who knows.

>In fact, its mostly used for pixel art.
Considering you like MS paint as well, I assume you enjoy pixel art. I know a lot of people do pixel art with MS paint.

>If you want to save as a different format you need to delete the filename before selecting the format or it'll crash, least that's what happens to me.
I was wondering about that, that's when I decided to stop playing around with grafx2. Couldn't save a PNG, lmfao.

>Now I'm very lucky to have you during its second life.
Oh you, don't make me blush <3

>I hope you continue having fun.
You too friend. I'm finding drawing to be very therapeutic honestly. If you ever wanna chat about doodling (or literally anything else) I'm in fatchan IRC 24/7/365, it's just as comfy there as the rest of fatchan. Come say hi if you want.

Nice bird by the way.
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>>38
>Do you use a mouse?
Yeah, maybe I'll get a tablet sometime. Everybody says practice traditional first, but I might forgo that for now. Digital is just much more convenient. No taking out supplies, cleaning up, putting away supplies. No worry about wasting a finite number of supplies. Unlimited blank canvas with the click of a button. Just pick it up or put it down. I can imagine how the steeper learning curve of a tablet without a screen would be less fun. That's the reason I haven't bought one yet. I don't want to find myself completely demotivated and it becoming an expensive paperweight.

>I assume you enjoy pixel art.
I like anything, but I do prefer pixel art and aliased art in general. Digital art that's distinctly digital. Traditional art that's distinctly traditional.

Sorry GrafX2 crashed on you. It may recover images on next launch. Never ventured into IRC, outside a friend showing it to me at his house in early 2000s. I'd need to think of a name (ugh) and it'd build more of an identity for myself (ugh). Maybe I'll check it out sometime. Maybe I won't. Talking here allows me more time to think of what to say and we give fatchan more visibility in the webring.

Thanks for the compliment. Thanks for all your current and future doodles. If not for you this board would still be only a frog and a bird (I'm slow and lazy). I don't want to spam compliments after each request you draw, but know I appreciate each and every one.
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>>41
>I don't want to find myself completely demotivated and it becoming an expensive paperweight.
Yeah not to discourage anyone but I did find the screenless tablet to be awkward. Cheap android tablet is much easier for sure. Maybe one day I'll run into something decent for cheap. I'll let you guys know if I do. I'm enjoying it so I don't mind investing some more money in this hobby (nothing crazy though)

>but I do prefer pixel art and aliased art in general
Called it, lol. Yeah, there's also something to be said about some older digital art that was working with extremely limited palettes and was dithered but they still managed to make the end result look good. Something about that retro aesthetic is comfy as fuck. The hard aliased edges are nice too. You know what else is cool? when people do those pure black and white images and they shade by putting the black pixels closer and closer together to give the illusion of darker monochrome, while still keeping the entire image 000000/FFFFFF. Refer to example 2 in the image I'm posting. Fuck, what is that called?

>Sorry GrafX2 crashed on you. It may recover images on next launch.
Yeah it does. It was just a scribble though, no worries. I tried it on a laptop and I can't draw a fucking thing with a trackpad other than scribbles and maybe a crudely drawn penis, so it wasn't something worth saving anyway, no worries.

>I'd need to think of a name (ugh)
Yeah I understand the hate for namefagging. Personally it doesn't bother me outside of imageboards though.

>Thanks for all your current and future doodles. If not for you this board would still be only a frog and a bird (I'm slow and lazy). I don't want to spam compliments after each request you draw, but know I appreciate each and every one.
AAAAA don't make me blush, you're too kind.
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Took forever but I found the word for the shading in >>43 example 2. For pixel art it's called stippling. In drawing it's hatching and cross hatching (examples 3 and 4). Anyway I think stippling looks cool.
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>>43
>I tried it on a laptop and I can't draw a fucking thing with a trackpad other than scribbles and maybe a crudely drawn penis, so it wasn't something worth saving anyway, no worries.
Execute everyone responsible for its creation and proliferation. Erase it from history. The trackpad is anti-human in functionality.

>>47
Also referred to as screentone, I think. Yeah, that stuff is very cool.
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>>48
>https://www.macpaint.org/
Gorgeous stuff, love this voyager image.
I have discovered Artisul and Wacom One as less expensive display screen tablets compared to others (especially cintiq). I may be able to find one used that's in my price range. If I ever do I'll let you guys know. Happy doodling.
>>43
>Refer to example 2 in the image I'm posting. Fuck, what is that called?
it's called 1-bit dithering. the type that is most similar to Example 2 is called Bayer or Ordered dithering, but it looks a little different from that, I think. Most likely it is just a fill pattern, no actual dither algorithm, and it's characteristic of (but not necessarily unique to) MacPaint. i think Flipnote Hatena had something like that, it's been a long time since i touched a DS and my memory isn't so good.
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I want to caution anyone who wants to use a "capacitive" touch screen (the kind on your phone) to draw: they all have this problem when drawing diagonal lines (vid related). even if you draw a diagonal line against a straight surface so that there is absolutely no human error, the screen still registers the input as wavy.

this is not to say that you shouldn't get a good stylus: you absolutely 100% should. most of your problems with bad lines can be fixed by using a good stylus with low friction; this will help with your drawing generally speaking as you will be able to move more fluidly, however it won't completely fix your diagonal lines. your hand shake actually contributes very little to your diagonal (or horizontal/vertical, for that matter) lines being shit: a well made, quality low-friction stylus will clean up your lines except for diagonals. for that last little bit of hardware error on your diagonals, you will need software to fix it.

hope this was informative.
planning my eventual return. dropping this.

VAN GLOW'S SOFTWARE LIST
I've done somewhat exhaustive research on software, and honestly, in my opinion, there are only a few things worth looking into. you can do your own research and use whatever you like I'm not your dad, but the tools in this list seem like the only good options in my opinion (unless I missed something).

ANDROID
for all of us fucking cheapskates using unwanted second-hand tablet shit with terrible touch screens, likely running custom roms with questionable stability. or, for the one or two truly insane people trying to draw on a FUCKING PHONE.

1. AUTODESK SKETCHBOOK
basically this is what you should be using. it's not even a contest on android. this is the best software, bar fucking none. it has no real competition. this is exactly what you want: it's a fully-featured digital art tool with none of the microtransaction shit or ads or accounts or cruft that almost everything else has.

free as in freeware, not foss. freeware as in not "freemium" or adware.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adsk.sketchbook

2. POCKET PAINT
an extremely feature-barren paint tool that is stupidly easy to learn. any 20 IQ drooling retard could use this. 1 brush. basically no options. limited amount of layers which is its biggest drawback. it's a good place to start for beginners, but you'll want to graduate to something different pretty quickly. total shit. I use it to make some amusing garbage.

free as in foss.
https://github.com/Catrobat/Paintroid

3. ARTECTURE
honestly I fucking hate this thing. I hate its brushes and wouldn't advise going near it unless you're trying to go for some sort of realistic oil painting aesthetic. software quality seems a bit low-end, looks like someone's personal pet project with the samsung name slapped on top of it.

free as in freeware, not foss. freeware as in not "freemium" or adware.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.android.sdrawing

DESKTOP
for the faggots who buy shitty glorified trackpads with no screen, or for those who blow money on expensive starving artist shit and end up with a sincere case of buyers remorse when they realize they can only draw cocks.

1. KRITA
not even going to bother writing a description. you should know what krita is. if you're on linux use this.

free as in foss.
https://krita.org/

2. AUTODESK SKETCHBOOK
yeah it's on desktop too. windows and mac only which is gay.

freeware.
https://www.sketchbook.com/

3. PAINT TOOL SAI
what a lot of the nips use(d) to draw that hawt loli you stroke your cock to. apparently still holds up to this day and a lot of people absolutely swear by it. simple and customizable. cracks available. windows.

paid.
https://systemax.jp/en/sai/

4. CLIP STUDIO PAINT
you may know it previously as manga studio. nipponese software like sai. it's usually considered a sai competitor with more features and more regular updates. cracks available. windows and mac.

paid.
https://www.clipstudio.net/en/

5. LITERALLY MS PAINT BRO
for when you feel like putting as much effort in your crude cock drawing as you put in your terrible faggy shitposts before declaring that you were only pretending to be retarded.
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EDIT: sketchbook no longer free on desktop since ~June apparently, my mistake.
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EDIT EDIT: the download links for free autodesk sketchbook still work!

microshaft: https://download.autodesk.com/us/support/files/sketchbook/sketchbook_2019/sketchbook_8.7.1.0_win64.exe
crapple: https://download.autodesk.com/us/support/files/sketchbook/sketchbook_2019/sketchbook_v8.7.1_mac.dmg

yer fuckin welcome cunt
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